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MSNBC's Rita Cosby Interviews Expert Witness,
Below Is The Transcript Of The November 3, 2005 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' Show On MSNBC. The On Air Discussion Is Based Upon Dr. Phil McGraw's Assertion That Natalee Holloway Is Alive And Being Held As A Sex Slave. Pat Rutherford - President of Worldwide Tracers, Inc. Is Interviewed Based Upon His Experiences With Kidnapping Cases Throughout The World. November 3, 2005 (COMMERCIAL BREAK) COSBY: Big-time shocker to report tonight in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. It's been five months since the Alabama teen vanished, but one talk show host isn't giving up. Dr. Phil now says he has evidence that Natalee could still be alive. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DR. PHIL MCGRAW, TV PERSONALITY: We have a reasonable belief and some credible evidence that Natalee Holloway is alive. JAY LENO, HOST, TONIGHT SHOW: Is alive? MCGRAW: Is alive. We can't - we cannot prove that at this point, and we don't know where she is, but, you know, there is a huge sex slave underground in some of those countries down there. Young women have disappeared from that part of the world before. And we have reasonable cause to believe that she may well be alive. (END VIDEO CLIP) COSBY: Well, while many people hope Dr. Phil's comments are true, just how likely is it that Natalee Holloway is now part of some sort of sex trade? LIVE & DIRECT tonight is private investigators Pat Rutherford. He's the president of Worldwide Tracers. Mr. Rutherford, is it possible that she's alive and involved in this sort of sex trade over there? PAT RUTHERFORD, PRESIDENT, WORLDWIDE TRACERS: Well, we've had cases where exactly that happened. I was a little shocked when I heard Phil said that, but, yes, very definitely, it could be possible. COSBY: You know, give us a sense of region. I want to show a comment that Dr. Phil said, talking about where his crews were out and about. Let's play that, and I want to get your reaction. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MCGRAW: We've had to extract a few of them recently—I had to send a private jet in for a couple of them just recently in Mexico, because things were getting really hot. And, you know, maybe we're getting close. (END VIDEO CLIP) COSBY: Mr. Rutherford, is it possible she'll be in Mexico? Is it possible even Venezuela? That was one of the theories I was hearing while in Aruba, because it's so close, you know, to Aruba, Venezuela right there. RUTHERFORD: We had one in Mexico. A 15-year-old that was down there with her missionary parents was kidnapped, taken to Mexico City, put on drugs. Next thing you know, she's in prostitution. And then she started doing pornographic films. That's the way we found her. She was in a magazine. And the person I was working with down there happened to see the magazine. And next thing you know, we got the parents down there. And she had been so brainwashed in the year that she'd been missing that she wouldn't go home with them. COSBY: Wow. So but she was so entranced by these people? RUTHERFORD: So it does happen. COSBY: In the case of Natalee Holloway, with the proximity, again, to Aruba, do you believe it's Venezuela? Would it be another country if, again, this is true? RUTHERFORD: We had a kidnapping case in Venezuela, too. So, sure, it's true down there. It's like justice gone wild. Nobody's controlling anything. You know, crime is running rampant. And I thank God that we only do after family members and such, because I can't imagine even you on that border. By the way, if you don't like your job, we've got an opening, because we only hire women. COSBY: Thank you. I'm hired, after you saw me in the bullet-proof vest there, right? RUTHERFORD: You're good. Boy, you got a lot of nerve. COSBY: I've been told I had some guts. Thank you. RUTHERFORD: You've done a good job. You bet. COSBY: Thank you. Hey back to... RUTHERFORD: So keep that in mind. COSBY: Thank you. It's good to know. Good to know. In terms of the Natalee Holloway case, how tough is it to track this down? You know, we talked about—we talked now—you may have heard this story of this father looking for his daughter in Mexico. You know, it's just overwhelming for him. How tough is it—say Natalee Holloway is missing. Say she's in some sort of sex slave trade. How tough is it to track her down? RUTHERFORD: Well, honestly, you've got to have a team. And you've got to involve the people that are on the ground there. There is good Mexican people. There is good Venezuelan people. And there is good investigators. And we always study the case, put a team together, and that's the way we solved the one in Mexico. If we hadn't had the person on the ground searching for the girl, we would have never found her. But we work as a team. We put it together. So that's what you got to do. COSBY: Pat Rutherford, thank you. RUTHERFORD: It's not an individual thing. COSBY: No, it sounds like it's a case-by-case basis. And it's amazing work you guys are doing and really admirable. Thank you very much, Mr. Rutherford. We appreciate your insights. (CROSSTALK) RUTHERFORD: Hey, enjoy talking to you. The job is still open. COSBY: Thank you. I will keep it in mind. I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. And those explosive comments that you heard from Dr. Phil about Natalee maybe being in the sex trade come on the same day that Natalee's mom, Beth Holloway Twitty, meets with Aruban officials. On the phone tonight from Aruba is Helen LeJuez. She's the attorney who's representing Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty. Helen, first of all, what do you make of these comments that Natalee may be alive and in some sex trade? HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I hope they're not true. COSBY: You do, but what about the fact that maybe this is a good sign that she may be alive? LEJUEZ: Well, the fact that she is alive, I hope that. That could be true. But, well, people talk about this, but we have not heard about these things happening in Aruba. COSBY: Does the family put any credence in this comment from Dr. Phil? LEJUEZ: I didn't hear your question. Could you speak... COSBY: Does the family put any credence—do they think that this could be possible, what Dr. Phil is saying? LEJUEZ: Not to my knowledge. COSBY: Not from your knowledge. I want to show a comment, if I could, Helen. This is from Chief Dompig. We had him on our show exclusively last night. And I want to get you to react. This is the chief. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEROLD DOMPIG, DEPUTY POLICY CHIEF OF ARUBA: I still believe that these boys have been lying. They're still lying. And everybody knows that by now. So there's no doubt in my mind that they know something, they're guilty of something. (END VIDEO CLIP) COSBY: Helen, what's the reaction from the family? The chief even— I asked him—he said to me on the phone, “They are guilty as hell. I just have to prove it.” That's a pretty strong comment from the chief. Where do you see the investigation at this point? LEJUEZ: Well, that is a strong comment. And if that is true, and if they can prove what the chief is saying, then these boys will be behind bars pretty soon. That's what I learn from what he said, and I hope that is true. COSBY: Well, let's hope that's the case if, indeed, they are guilty. Thank you very much, Helen. We appreciate it. And meanwhile, some interesting developments. Protesters took to the streets of Aruba today. Their target, a surprising one: Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty. LIVE & DIRECT tonight is Jossy Mansur. He's the managing editor of Aruba's “Diario” newspaper. Jossy, tell us about this protest. Why against Beth Twitty? JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”: Not against her personally, but it was against whatever negative publicity the island has been receiving because of this case. And a small portion of the island—it's not widespread on the island—but a small portion of the people are a little disgusted with this negative aspect of the case. COSBY: What is the mood there about, because Beth is there on the ground? How is she being received? MANSUR: Well, I think good, because the majority of the people sympathize with her, sympathize with her cause. They know that she lost a daughter, that she is very interested in getting some answers as to where she is or what happened to her. But you always have—in any community, you have a small group of people that love to go to the streets and protest against anything. COSBY: You know, we were just seeing some pictures—those are the new pictures of her coming there. Jossy, what do you—you know this case so well. Do you put any stock, any credence to the new words from Dr. Phil saying that there may be some sex trade, that Natalee may be alive? Have you heard anything? MANSUR: No, I don't believe so. I don't know where Dr. Phil got this information from. He must have some basis to say that. We cannot rule out the possibility that she is still alive or that she is no longer alive. We don't have any hard evidence to prove any one of the two. But I think it's highly improbable that that is the case. COSBY: All right, Jossy, thank you very much. We appreciate it. |
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